The bible states that God is the king of kings and lord of lords. He's givin dominion to the kings of this earth. How can you seperate anything from anything (politics and religion) when you didn't create it anyway? The earth is the Lords and the FULLNESS thereof. Nothing would be here if God didn't create it. Maybe that's why we have so many problems in the world now. We are turning our backs on the Creator and he's letting us go our way. You can call it a Zionist attitude if you'd like, but the proof is in the pudding. And if you read down through Jewish history, the children of Israel have a track record of turning their backs on the true will of God and God he has ALWAYS redeemed them. I'm reppin Christian all day, but my vote is for the TRUE JEWS that uphold Gods law. We may not see eye to eye on certain beliefs, but I believe God has given them the RIGHT to exsist in the land HE gave them. Who are we or anybody to take that away. GOD? Check yourself. Christ be with you all...

Too bad olmert does not use the same rhetoric

It is very heartbreaking to read some of these talkbacks which ask the question, "where was G-D diring the holocaust?" The answer to this question is that He is where He has always been. He hasn't went anywhere. You have! You throw away His Torah, reject His Mashiach, spit in His face, turn to the nations for help, then when you get into trouble you ask, where is He? This is a very sad situation indeed! Hopefully Y-Net will publish this so Charles and Abel will see how sad they look. I continue to pray for you.

God DID promise this land to Israel and Israel alone. George Bush had better listen to Mr. Rabbi or America will fall. The Word of God, The God of Abraham, is to be taken serious,If not...Watch out, an attitude adjustment is on the way!

It's not the torah or god who made the rebirth of my country possible . It was the Zionist idea , Herzl : In Bazel i founded the state of Israel [ not his exact words but his meaning ]. And it were the 6000 mostly secular , if not anti religious , who gave their blood for this country , who made this possible 50 years later .

The Zionist Idea was there before the Shoa . Israel's rebirth was not at the cost of our six million brethren who were murdered , they only multiplied the will to fight for , and accelerated the whole processus of her creation . Is ULIF the "Union Liberale Israelite de France" ?

who fought and won over many enemies to establish both the nations of Israel and of Judea. Perhaps you seperate the G-d of Israel and the Torah, I do not. The Torah is prophetic in describing how we would be scattered and gathered together again in ISRAEL. It doesn't mention seculars, Although I appreciate your elevating your station past that of what's written by these same ancients.

"You throw away His Torah, reject His Mashiach, spit in His face, turn to the nations for help, then when you get into trouble you ask, where is He?" Would I do that ? Ask people who know me. I do not know what I fear most, a God who doesn't exist or an omnipotent God who did not intervene when half of his blessed people were so horribly tortured and exterminated. A God who refused to prevent so many genocides. No need to be Jewish to share with them happiness and sadness, hope and despair, certainties and doubt. No need to believe to be a human being among other human beings (Goethe), good, kind, tolerant, and ready to lay down their lives for their friends (Yeshua). Not sad people, only compassionate we are. Peace be with you.

The Sanhedrin the same outfit that was complicit in the execution of a certain Nazerean by crucifixion 2000 years ago is now threatening the President of the USA with dire consequences if he does not follow its orders. Are we powerful or what?

I am very sorry for your family. Thank you for your appreciation of my post. Is Tyr your first name ? I agree with most what you said in your excellent posts, in particular the fact that Judaism goes far beyond religion. All the best to you with my gratitude.

People who ask "where was he" ask "what did he do" , smart persons understand this . He could not intervene ? weak . He did'nt want to intervene ? Bad and the worse , he wanted it to happen ? No words to qualify . Three good reasons for smart people to deny his existence , or at least to have doubds and ask questions . Of course you don't belong to this category

I do not separate anything , but wrote both Torah and god , more understandable . No , i did'nt forget the Ancients who conquered this land , not such a nice story , with so many killed . Look only at how many chapters of יהושע finish . If you believe in prophecies , i not .

When smart people write "where was he" they mean "what did he" , well understandable for dito persons . he could not prevent the Shoa ?, weak ; he did'nt want to prevent ?, bad ; and the worse : he wanted it to happen ? No words to descibe it . Three good reasons for smart people to think , that there is no god , or at least , to have doubds and ask this question : where was he ? But of course , that's not the category of people you belong to

There is another reason that you failed to mention Charles. It is called chastisment. It is found in Deuteronomy 32. "Jeshurun became fat and kicked. You became fat, you became thick, you became corpulent and it deserted God its Maker, and was contemptuous of the Rock of its salvation. They would provoke His jealousy with strangers; they would anger Him with abominations. They would slaughter to demons without power, gods whom they knew not, newcomers recently arrived, whom your ancestors did not dread. You ignored the Rock Who brought you forth. Hashem will see and be provoked by the anger of His sons and daughters and He will say, "I shall hide my face from them and see what their end will be for they are a generation of reversals, children whose upbringing is not in them. They provoked Me with a non-god, angered Me with their vanities; so shall I provoke them with a non-people, with a vile nation shall I anger them. For fire will have been kindled in My nostrils and blazed to the lowest depths."" I hope you won't label me as an anti-semite Charles because I quote you your Torah. The Torah contains both blessings and curses Charles. It is your behavior that determines which one you will get.

When will you understand it , and i being a secular , do not cite torah to me . Then , of what were those 1.5 million children guilty ? or those quantities of TRUE religious [ not a la ephraim ] people ? so read again what i wrote , if you can understand it .You are only a poor usurpating guy

Once again Charles you say it is not my business. You also say, to not quote Torah to you. I must in order to make you understand why it IS my business. Torah tells us in Sh'mot 12:49, "One Torah shall there be for the native and the proselyte who lives among you." So you see Charles, it is my Torah too, so I am free to quote it. You on the other hand have said you are an athiest. But, then you talk about the great sages and Rabbis. Athiest have no Torah, sages or Rabbis Charles. Athiest have no nefesh. I am merely trying to lead you to life more abundantly. Now you have physical life so you are only half alive. Do T"shuvah Charles and gain a nefesh and enjoy full life.

And you again give me extracts of the Torah . Yes , Jews have had Great Sages , Rabbanim . This every one , even atheists as i am , can only agree on . Regarding a Jewish Nefesh , you DON'T know what it means , you are a GOY , in the pejorative meaning of this word . You don't know what enjoying a life is , you are not enjoying , in your sad Oregon [ for you , not for sane people ]

Shabbat is over , no excuses anymore , you FAKE jew

You say I am a GOY. How do you know this Charles? Let's both lay out our proof. How will you prove to me that you are a Jew? You can't even prove it to yourself. You go by hear say and maybe by name. Or perhaps you go by your mother or grandmother. How do you know their geneology Charles? How can you prove a pure Jewish blood line back to Avraham? Put up or shut up Charles. I freely admit that I don't know my bloodline. I may be more Jew by blood than you Charles. At leasst I am honest with myself. You lie to yourself. You don't need to answer this tb Charles. Just go and prove it to yourself. Will a DNA test do it? Unless you are Cohen. I hear they have preserved the Cohen line and have the Cohen DNA marker. It may be true and maybe not. Can you prove by DNA marker that you are Cohen Charles? Don't bother answering me Charles, just go and prove it to yourself. It may be that I am Cohen Charles. Maybe I will do the DNA test. The whole point Charles is that you or no one else can prove without doubt that they are truely in the blood line of Avraham, so get over yourself. And, by the way Charles, I would much rather be a goy with faith in the G-d of Avraham, Isaac, and Jacob than to be fan apostate athiest Jew.

I am afraid he can't and will not answer. He might at least have the courtesy of answering your question. We are sorry he won't seize the opportunity to explain himself. Of course, saying again and again that most talkbackers are ignorant, he may think he would belittle himself in answering. How sad ! Dear Charles, he had better parading masked like too many here. Have a very fine week with your family.

believing in the god of Abraham etc , does not prove anything , look only at your "brother" paqid . Usurpating a Jewish name , the same . And a goy who believes in this god ? , a goy blabt a goy .

I'm not afraid that he will not answer , i'm SURE . By not answering he only proves that i'm right , and many other with me . He explain himself ? He is not open for discussion at all , and thinks that people are stupid by not seeing that he tries , and sadly sometimes succeeds, to deceive them . All the best to you .

Charles, you refuse to offer the proof. You are not a Jew, you are a goy, otherwise you would offer the proof. I make no false claims Charles. I admit I don't know, but you profess what you cannot prove. That is the actions of a true goy. You are the userper Charles. I didn't say that my belief in G-d proves I am a Jew. I said, I would rather be a goy who believes than an athiest Jew with no nefesh. If you can't take it Charles don't dish it out.

...who cares about the atheist? G-d states chose life or chose death. The pronounce athiest who states he is a Orthodox Jew has no understanding of what an orthodox is, nor and understanding that one who not only does not do Torah but professes with pride they do not, is chosen death under Torah rules. They have set themselves on a stage in front of a large Internet audience and taunted G-d for all to see by saying he does not exist. You see people like this in the news all the time but usually under unhappy circumstances. G-d has ears too. Hayim is plural thus there are two types of lives, life of the body and life of the soul. Jews who chose death under Torah rules, have given away the Jewish soul to death and curses. Is that to be admired by the blessed Jew and a blessed goyim? To quote a movie Sixth sense "I see dead people. They don't realize they're dead." A goy can have the grace of G-d on them and have blessings from heaven. Even in Torah we learn that G-d promised land to other nations. However a Jew who proudly states he is in rebellion against G-d and his Torah, is a lightning rod for bad things and certainly not elevated above a blessed goy. Even far less than any nation, as G-d will promote evil men who are base and of no comparison to a blessed goy, to be masters over the fallen of Israel. So keep it up boys. What you thrust upon the other is likely to land back on your head. Goy should not be a derogatory term nor should it be used by a Christian such as Charles as an insult. Unfortunate that the Rabbis have added chet additions to Torah and instructed some to think it is in order to propogate a Babylonian cult. G-d promises to wipe out an unproductive garden and only spare the root. Why would a barren weed in the field of Torah yell to the neighbors garden that they have no share in the harvest? Is it because the weed does not know what G-d does in the harvest to the weeds compared to the productive wheat? An atheist Jew could not be any farther separated from Israel and on a one-way ticket to the abyss than a goy. Clueless. Besides Charles has never denied Jesus is his g-d, his savior and his Messiah. I tried relentlessly and he would not say it. Proof to me he is not only not being "Jewish", but violating a law that bears the most curses. - having a false G-d before Hashem.

not my friend Charles. You, I do not know.

What do you say ? "Such a Christian as Charles ..." So DUMB a statement ! My friend Charles has repeatedly denied Jesus and God. He is an Atheist. Little reminder for anonymous # 174. Atheism "Critique and denial of metaphysical beliefs in God or divine beings. Unlike agnosticism, which leaves open the question of whether there is a God, atheism is a positive denial. It is rooted in an array of philosophical systems. Ancient Greek philosophers such as Democritus and Epicurus argued for it in the context of materialism. In the 18th century David Hume and Immanuel Kant, though not atheists, argued against traditional proofs for God's existence, making belief a matter of faith alone. Atheists such as Ludwig Feuerbach held that God was a projection of human ideals and that recognizing this fiction made self-realization possible. Marxism exemplified modern materialism. Beginning with Friedrich Nietzsche, existentialist atheism proclaimed the death of God and the human freedom to determine value and meaning. Logical positivism holds that propositions concerning the existence or nonexistence of God are nonsensical or meaningless." Did you get it, # 174, I will not repeat ? All the best, dear Charles, and kind regards to your family.

Lets have a bet , we will go to an Orthodox Rabbi , a true Orthodox one , and we will see who will be declared a 100 % Jew ? OK ? You , Ephraim the thief and liar , or you , the Rabbanim and sages attacking goy , or me the 100 % Jewish secular . Please bring also the necessary documents with you , if you have some serious ones .

Pas le peine de vous enerver , don't get nervous with this anonymous josh , he is'nt worth it . C'est 100 % sa facon d'ecrire , it's 100 % his way of writing , a piece of garbage . Don't write high quality TB's to him , he does not understand them , he only knows hate and disgusting writings . All the best to you , and again thank you for your tolerance and objectivity .

...so now that you, the fake french guy who knows nothing about his so called home town nor even recognizes the french independance day, is a teacher of the meaning of an "orthodox athiest". Since you have proven in your mind that Charles is beyond a doubt a denier of G-d, he wont mind posting these exact words: "The being known as Jesus is not my g-d, not my savior and not the messiah." There is one problem with your argument Abpaqcharin, christians, especillay liars, have been taught that lying for Jesus is ok. However no matter what a liar a christian is, they cannot say the words I am asking Charles to say without crossing a line from which there is no return. So if Chrales is what he claims, what you describe, he can post these words without batting an eyelash. Post it Charles: "The being known as Jesus is not my g-d, not my savior and not the messiah." Otherwise your and your fake ablefish post are just one of a long line of games to avoid saying what the truth is. Your a missionizing Christian posing as multiple characters on ynet talkbacks. Abpaqcharin.

....your a loser. How are the hands? Your not as sharp as you use to be. Losing the edge? Darkness?