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Dutch MP to be prosecuted over anti-Islam comments
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Published: 21.01.09, 15:16
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61. Good
Eyes Open ,   IL   (01.21.09)
He'll have his day in court and all the worlds media will be watching.. be careful what you wish for.
62. Based on the truth
Dani ,   The Netherlands   (01.21.09)
The fact that Wilders uses his freedom of speech doesn't mean he can say whatever he want if it's inciting hatred and discrimination. Although he's right about a lot of things. Most of the Muslims in Holland don't set the right example, so it's a little bit based on the truth. Pim Fortuyn & Theo van Gogh lost their lives for their opinions. If their weren't telling the truth, why were they killed? Not all Muslims are the same, just like every culture, you've got good and bad ones. But with all the happenings these days, I can't blame Wilders for the reminder that we should open our eyes.
63. Dont Look A Gift Horse In The Mouth
Gad ben Shalom ,   Jerusalem Israel   (01.21.09)
Do you realize the World Publicity this will recieve ? As Usual the islam losers know how to shoot each other in the foot . He will recieve millions in legal fees from small contributers around the world , Like Me !
64. You want to talk about freedom of speech?
Libneniyyeh ,   Beirut/Canada   (01.21.09)
Fine. Let any tackbacker here give me one good and convincing definition of "freedom of speech." And then let me insult his/her mother, and see how he/she feels about that. You want to talk freedom of speech? So far, I've been blocked about three or four times just in the past two days, without having said anything unduly shocking - whereas 99 percent of angry, hateful talkbackers' input is published - there's freedom of speech for you. You want to talk freedom of speech? You want people to acknowledge the "democratic State of Israel"? This will never happen in a million years - because you have trampled on the rights and freedoms of other people for too long. To get back to this guy. Before you profess to make comments about the Koran or about Islam for that matter - go get yourself an education (in Arabic too) and read the book itself. read the book in Arabic along with its explanation (tafseer). You will be very surprised. But if you're going to google a few weakly translated quotes here and there - and I can only guess form which websites - then you're not worth anybody's time of day save those of your own ilk who only too gleefully would jump to champion any anti-Islamic sentiments. The same line of reasoning applies to so many other arguments. Using the same rhetoric, anyone from around the world who is not of your opinion is responsible for whatever calamities his/her government might have done centuries ago. Or better yet, he/she has to "look at himself" before criticizing others. Wow - a real powerful argument, that. The truth is - the biliions of Muslims around the world can't all be brainwashed or stupid. And if you look at Western countries (Canada is one shining example) and see how many educated, liberal Westerners convert to Islam each Friday you'd be shocked. You see Islam as a threat. And that makes you scared. And scared people live blissfully in their ignorance, and thus commit acts of stupidity.
65. Very well done! I am proud that the courts
(01.21.09)
have taken a positive step towards vicious, inciteful men like Wilders.
66. Never
Laughing Dutchmen ,   Rotterdam Holland   (01.21.09)
And yet another black day for the dutch freedom of speech. It started last year with the arrestation of Nekschot (an islam and christianity critic cartoonist) and the "witchhunt" for some critic weblogs. Now a trial against a politician who only says what most of the people thinks. Because his comments should be discriminating, funny thing is, I know a lot of black people (from Curacao, Suriname, middle-Africa etc) who are also AGAINST the islamic ideology and they're damn right. One of the big differences in Holland is when I say to a christian that he is a stupid christian, he would probably laugh and walk further. When I say to a muslim that he is a stupid muslim he start screaming "DISCRIMINATION, BLASPHEMY". Where will it stop? The people in our gouvernment are all a bunch of weak, political correct, islam-loving pussy's. And again we've become one step closer to Eurabia. - Excuse me for my English but I'm a little overheating.
67. What can we do to support Wilders??
Australian Guy   (01.21.09)
We must collectively help this man.
68. Whatever happened to freedom of speech?
Douglas Miller ,   Detroit, USA   (01.21.09)
Is Holland no longer a democracy where people are allowed to speak their minds? If a Dutch citizen were to write a scholarly piece questioning the tenets of Christianity would he be prosecuted? Unlikely. This smells really bad.
69. This country was once the most enlightened in Europe
Sidney ,   USA   (01.21.09)
How sad.
70. In Holland: You can call for violence in name of the Koran
daniel   (01.21.09)
But you can't say the Koran is violent
71. Sign the Petition In Defense of Geert Wilders
ygalg, faithfreedom. ,   israel   (01.21.09)
http://www.petitiononline.com/wilders/petition.html
72. #40 - Dave, look him up on Wikipedia. Probably NOT.
Global Citizen ,   Israel & USA   (01.21.09)
73. To Sahab #52. An Empty Word.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (01.21.09)
Dear Sahab, you should present a quote of Mr. Geert Wilders -- and then you should point out the mistakes, the misgivings (and eventual misunderstandings) in that quote. Then we will see who the real maniac is -- you or Mr. Wilders. Just calling someone a maniac is easy, cheap -- and is thus an empty word with NO meaning.
74. #24 - Yoav (obviously Ahmed) - there's a good reason
William ,   Israel   (01.21.09)
Stating the obvious or using facts to make a point is allowed. Geert did nothing more than show how Muslims themselves interpret the Koran. Am I wrong? Fine - look at videos of Hamas and Al-Qaeda who use the same verses calling for non-Muslims to be killed en masse (MEMRI and PMW should have them). Regarding the Holocaust - so many facts laredy exist showing it to be true and to teh extent of systematic genocide. Hell - the Nazis were so proud of their efforts, they took many films celebrating it. However, those today who question the Holocaust do so for two reasons - to dismiss the claims of Jews as victims and replace them with Arabs, to undermine Israel as a State, and to raise the bar on what constitutes genocide...allowing Arabs to blanket kill many. Besides this - those who deny the Holocaust hope to gain notoriety for themselves. And if we allow this denial to happen, we subject the world to letting it happen again. Still - today in Darfur, a genocide happens at the hands of Arabs, and no one says a word.
75. #28 - In what context, Jawad?
William ,   Israel   (01.21.09)
Did the rabbi say this in terms of describing what happens during wars and how fighting a nation of terrorists hiding behind civilians, some civilians will die? If this rabbi did say it in the most racist way (i.e.all Arabs must die), then he will and has been shunned by the majority of Israelis. However, when an Imam says it (almost all of them each Friday), like lemmings you agree with them and suit up suicide belts to kill innocents. Big difference!! Here's a question - what will happen to a Palestinian who says "wait, let me question the Koran. I don't think we should kill infidels, but co-exist"? How long will he live until he's killed as a collaborator?? What about Sari Nusseibeh who said the same thing and lost his job at the university and had his house firebombed?
76. Political Correctness as a religion
William ,   Israel   (01.21.09)
The reason Europe is falling is simple. They adhere to liberalism and political correctness as a religion. So tied to these pseudo-values they are willing to die for them...just like any religion. They're fanaticism rivals only that of Islam. I once read a talkback from a girl who said "I would die before I take away the rights of a person trying to kill me". This says it all.
77. #64
(01.21.09)
In the Netherlands you can mock any religion except Islam. Jesus and his followers are continuously humiliated. Last week, a Left wing Dutch parliament member called to "gas the Jews". But, Islam, that is something else. Theo van Gogh had his throat slit because he protested Islam's treatment of women. Cartoonist Nekschot was violently arrested by the Dutch SWAT police. Now Mr. Wilders will be prosecuted for Fitna which did no more than quote the Holy Koran. How about you watch Fitna and tell us what part you find insulting?
78. #64 Go ahead and insult my mother
Bill of Rights ,   USA   (01.21.09)
...and if I bash your head in, it is I who will be prosecuted, not you. Many Muslims never seem to understand that the issue does not revolve around "feelings" , and that is why they over-react to criticism, whether it is justified or not. The perception in the West is that too many Muslims have used threats of violence (protest signs that say "behead those who insult the prophet") and/or actual violence (fire-bombing embassies, rioting in the streets, murdering film-makers) to express their "feelings" of outrage. But it is this behavior that is anti-social and unlawful; to wit, it is not what you say, it is what you do that matters. If you feel insulted by someone's opinion, you also have the right to voice your dissent. This is the very definition of freedom of speech applied practically. That is the way freedom of speech should work, and must work. I hope I've settled the matter for you, Mr. Lebaniyeh, and you will show me that you've understood my message by exercising your right to free speech here, in this forum, and by admitting that violence is never justified as a response to words.
79. #64 Where is your rebuttal? Not 1 counter-argument presented
Australian Guy   (01.22.09)
80. Mr. Geert Wilders, Hero of Europe
Kevin ,   Hong Kong   (01.22.09)
For standing up to Islamo-Nazi thugs who threatens him with death. Europe & UK, stop being a continent of self-serving cowards. Your sinking economy will provide you with time to think how you got here. There is no safe future for your children. Act now.
81. Christian # 45
Jonas ,   Copenhagen   (01.22.09)
Europe killed 6 million Jews. Now their second rate leaders replaced them with 20 million fanatic Muslims and growing. Divine punishment for the holocaust or simply bad karma?
82. Marco # 44 , stop being an useful idiot
Stefan ,   Madrid   (01.22.09)
Ignorant people like yourself do the enemy a favour.
83. #64 Lubnani, I know what it is like and sympathize with you
Genuine Tosefta ,   Tveria   (01.22.09)
I was just denied access to a Lebanese media website and forbidden to post there because the hateful Jihadi participants complained that a Zionist should not be allowed to comment
84. Double Dutch
Zohan ,   Tel Aviv   (01.22.09)
Legal to smoke marijuana but illegal to reveal the truth about Islam. The Koran does not conform to our civilized society today, therefore should be made known to non-Muslim.
85. Go To Westerstraat, Jan van Galanstraat....in Amsterdam
Seth ,   Washington, DC   (01.22.09)
You hear Turkish, the people are not integrated into the Dutch traditions of tolerance and they've turned the Dutch reputation for tolerance on its head by demanding that the Dutch bend to their Muslim traditions and biases and demand that the native Dutch people become as backward and intolerant as they are.
86. Maansingh #51
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (01.22.09)
If his lawyer wants to use my words, by all means - I would be honored. I believe the proper term should be he is being persecuted, not prosecuted myself.
87. Geert: My blessings
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88. I saw FITNA and aware of Wilders' friendship towards Israel
Avraham ,   NYC   (01.22.09)
89. Wilders is a Hero
Brod ,   USA   (01.22.09)
Wilders is a Hero to the Free World. Heros like him are the true leaders of democracy. They have no fear to condemn and reject the dark forces and their evil teachings and atrocities. It is time the world opens its eyes and supports strong leaders like Wilders. A time will come when his nation will turn to the Right. The pathway of Leftism leads to destruction. Hence, Wilders' message will move his countrymen to do what is Right.
90. Responses
Libneniyyeh ,   Beirut/Canada   (01.22.09)
77- Let me tell you how Muslims feel about Islam and about prophets - they feel very strongly. It is a subject which, to them, is even more sensitive than one's mother. Let me tell you something - Islam is the only religion that upholds and respects every single prophet. You would find any Moslem defending Christ, Abraham, Mary, Moses - but you you might not always find similar behavior from those on the other side. Thats just one part. The other point is, yes, I did watch Fitna, and more than once. It is, at best, a very crude and hodge podge production. It takes images of violence committed by people who are not Muslims. Why are they not Muslims? They are ignorant of Islam. Fitna skews every single quotation from the Quran. Refuting Fitana i can do - but not in this tackback 78- yes, it does revolve around feelinds. our temperament is different from the west. we are passionate, emotional, and loyal. i am a woman btw, not a man, but if someone insulted my mother, i sure as hell would not turn the other cheek. you are right that protest should not be violent, but sometimes it cant be controlled, and mob mentality takes over. Especially when incitement is deliberate but is masked by a false veneer of this "freedom of speech" saccharine coated venom. We are not stupid, and one of the reasons why some Jews or Christians dont react in a like manner is because a lot of people are losing interest and/or faith in religion. On the other hand, Muslims still adhere to their religion strongly, and that doesnt make them stone age people. I dont agree that the practices in countries such as KSA and Iran are legitimate, not from an Islamic perspective. I have many Canadian friends who have converted to Islam, and I see in them the true spirit of the religion. Why dont you try talking to some real people and reading some real, unbiased books - maybe that will change ur point of view.
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