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Can Jews live in Europe?
Guy Bechor
Published: 06.03.09, 01:18
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31. #16 TBs R trying to make a point, or defend their position
on controvercies   (03.06.09)
32. @13
ED ,   ISRAEL   (03.06.09)
So stay there and wait for a new Kristall nacht....
33. Congratulations!
Michel Rodzynek ,   Hamburg, Germany   (03.06.09)
Yes! You are so right. Israel ist our country; nothing else. If we do not understand this we have missed the messages of our history. The problems in the jewish country are nothing compared to the feelings and circumstances of the jewish status in most of european countries. If you feel Jewish in your heart you alway should have Israel in your mind. There is nothing to be more poroud than our bevloved nation and all those wonderful pople who have made it to what it is. Shalom Israel!
34. #16 TBs R not nice if u give IL bad advic from self interest
pro-arab opinions   (03.06.09)
35. #13 then come & make a difference. not easy but possible
even 4 immigrants   (03.06.09)
36. Not 100% right
(03.06.09)
I know many families came from Israel to Europe and they are more happy than before and they don't want to go back to Israel .... you say even before Gaza like Gaza was your first massacer .... your massacers in the last 60 years can not be counted so the hate is growing up since along time and it's normal reaction like the hate growed up against the Moslems after 9/11 so don't look at it like it's something fresh .... the Jews lived in the Arab countries before 1948 much better than in Europe but the old zionists didn't like this kind of good relationship between the Jews and the rest of the Arabs Moslems and Christians so they had to spoil it and after 1948 we know all what happend and why .
37. Subject?, Jews of course.
joseph   (03.06.09)
good article, bad article, we all know that the "problem " is becoming serious at an alarming rate. We all know that this problem is ISLAM, slowly turning Europe into a "glitzy" mecca for the islamic hordes. For Jews, it is also turning slowly into a " Gucci " ghetto. The major difference between the two opposites, is that Jews make an important contribution in all fields of human endeavor to their host countries. Islamic cotribution?, babies, more babies, only babies---And Europe pays dearly with a smile......!
38. Europe and the Jews
Ridha ,   tunisia   (03.06.09)
Europe is much better and much more secure than the Israelfor the Jews. At least Jews in Europe don t have to be afraid of wars, Iranian threat or Palestinian threat. Furthermore, Jews in Europe don t have to serve as an advanced military basis for the West in the Arab world.
39. Europe no place for Jews ?
Muriel ,   Belgium   (03.06.09)
The article says some truth but ommit others. Except the few square meters of Tel Aviv is Israël such a nice place to live if you have in several regions the threat of Qassam- and Grad missile- alerts, obliged to run into shelters ? How many regions are completely spared from this threat ? Europe may be no paradise but it's a general situation, and there is not one place you can call "EDEN garden" on earth right now.
40. the nature of the age is
avrom ,   bet shemesh   (03.06.09)
life changing events happen in an instant e.g 9/11,tsunamis and bring tremendous consequences i believe when Israel hits the Iranian nuclear reactor it will provoke widespread civil unrest between muslims and non muslims in Europe as predicted by Zacheriah 14v13 "and the hand of his friend will fcight the hand of his friend" at least in Israel there is Hashem a wall and the Israeli army to protect Jews whereas in Europe there is no wall and the authorities do not protect non muslims in case it offends muslims instead they appease the muslims I believe Israel is safer than Europe for all non muslims
41. Self-justifiying
Pablo ,   Madrid   (03.06.09)
Again a pretentious article from an Israeli that don't understand anything about the diaspora. Israelis always try to self-justify leaving in Israel, by saying everybody hates us, anti semitism everywhere. The only part of history they are learning is the shoa and the aliyot. Sometimes when on travel they encounter aggresivity, directly it is anti semitism. Maybe it is just that they in a typical arrogant Israeli fashion??
42. Ratzuy vs Matzuy
Inyaki ,   Bilbao, Basque   (03.06.09)
The author of this article is selling his reader his "ratzuy"- desire for "matzuy" a fact. Rarely one sees such a manipulation. A jew in Europe is much safer than in Israel- this is a simple fact. While I love Isreal from distance, every time I am there, and I do this often, twice a year, I get "kharara"- rash on my skin, just to see how the typical israeli behaves, and the last elections have shown what a typical israeli is: a mix of ex soviet KGB+morrocan chaman+hysterical mitnachabel+spineless socialist with no ideology+ some ( little amount) of armchair elite+bibi ( sorry, sarah) netanyahu. This depresses.
43. Jews must live every where.
Joo ,   Eurabia   (03.06.09)
Jews are the first global nation in human history and it's essential that they trading, making business, studying, working in research and universities, represent Israeli companies abroad etc. Israel needs diaspora, diaspora needs Israel. There are parts of one family. Am Israel hai! Everywhere.
44. To Allan, Ramat Ilan
Rachel L. ,   Yesha   (03.06.09)
I don't know where Ramat Ilan is, but I made aliyah and live in a West Bank settlement and am very happy. People are really nice and always willing to help each other here. I am much happier with my life here than I was in the US, where I barely knew my neighbors.
45. Israel
Barak C. ,   Israel   (03.06.09)
If more Jews would move here and help us to improve things, Israel would be a better place. Non-religious Jews in the Galut will not have Jewish descendants. I, for one, love living here despite the problems. There are plenty of good things here too.
46. # 13 How soon you forget.
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47. # 13 Jacob Berlin
petra ,   uSA   (03.06.09)
Your opinion from Berlin helps every Jew to remember, 'NEVER AGAIN". We're still reading about Germany's atrocities. Are you resting on a chair or mattress filled w/Jewish hair from the deceased Jews from Germany? How quickly you forget your crimes of humanity. Enjoy your skinheads and muslim neighbors. You deserve them, they deserve you.
48. # 18 Ussishkin Tel Aviv.
petra ,   uSA   (03.06.09)
fine, move to Gaza. Israel needs those faithful to liberty, not some bowing down w/ your face towards mecca and praying for the destruction of Israel. ps stay in Gaza you're more muslim than a Jew.
49. # 19 Really?
petra ,   uSA   (03.06.09)
and where would you prefer to live? Europe? Muslim nations? Canada? America? Seems to me, only Israel is free from a force that would murder Jews and count it as a good deed by their 'religion.' Why are you in Israel if your heart is elsewhere? Oh! that's right, every democracy has it's own fifth column and that's you!!! p.s. Germany stole most of the Jews wealth, took their lives and you say nothing? Amazing. Pal.
50. Security issues
John ,   Paris, France   (03.06.09)
I can't help but slip into the conversation. The facts you are mentionning are true BUT to be perfectly clear, not all Jews live in fear. As long as you have money, in France particularly - I don't know about other countries - you will be just fine. Isn't this ironic on some level? The cliché describe Jews as wealthy, well if they're not actually wealthy and can afford a place in a safe neighborhood, they will pay the price to be a "minority of the minorities". Nevertheless, you'd better be really rich, because if you want to ride the subway at night for example, you know that something might happen. Honestly, yes you hide your david star under your skirt. The question to come over or not in Israel is more complicated than what you describe though. Indeed, the economic and diplomatic relations of Israel - G*D knows the state needs some - are often linked to a jewish community living there. What is the economic advantage of the presence of Jews in Europe and what would be their power in the Jewish state? Would they be safer? Would they be happier? Is the chance worth the risk?
51. You don't need to rationalize
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah   (03.06.09)
B"H Just come home because the Torah tells you to. You don't need to rationalize.
52. Terry # things to come
i ,   jerusalem   (03.06.09)
if past history is any indicator, the last time the Europeans pushed back the Arab invasion, they butchered the defenseless Jews first.
53. Matt #16
Mickey ,   Sydney   (03.06.09)
The writer is talking about anti-semitism in Europe. The same anti-semitism that was around in europe before Israel was established.. Its got nothing to do with Israel its pure old fashioned hatred for Jews
54. Learn from the past, people!
Anna ,   Be'er Sheva, Israel   (03.06.09)
And move before it's too late. Yeah, Israel is not the safest place on earth, but neither is Europe, and here we at least have the right to defend ourselves. At least go to the U.S, if you can. I... I hope I'm wrong, but I see a disaster in Europe in the near future...
55. #18 all arabs r saying nowadays they r very &extremely loyal
its all stupid words   (03.06.09)
56. Allan, 29#, move to the Golan or Galilee
Judah ,   Golan Heights,ISRAEL   (03.06.09)
Instead of leaving Israel you need to move to a nicer part of the country. In the North you will have fresh air, cooler temperatures, great views and much nicer people. The only problem with the North is the lack jobs yet even this can be solved with some innovative thinking.
57. Petra , Why are you still begalut ?
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (03.06.09)
While telling others to make Alyah ? Are you afraid to live here ? Or do you prefer your "nice" life in the USA ? You are one of those "armchair" pseudo Zionist , only telling others what to do , but not doing it by yourself . Enough , Enough Petra . Make Alyah or SHUT UP
58. Rico #3
Jane   (03.06.09)
It is you who makes no sense. The governments of Europe do not defend the Jewish People; ISRAEL DOES.
59. #7 Jalal
Jane   (03.06.09)
No, actually. We cannot live in most Islamic states and, if we can, are killed or treated like dhimmi. Good thing we have our own country, Jalal. The name of it is ISRAEL.
60. Marlene
Jane   (03.06.09)
And I personally think you are an uninformed facist lefty.
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