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Can Jews live in Europe?
Guy Bechor
Published: 06.03.09, 01:18
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61. In a two weeks , i'll visit my birth town
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (03.06.09)
in Europe , and will see by myself how Jews are living . Last year when i was there i have seen many Jews , many Orthodox and Charidim , you could recognise them from far . It did'nt seem to me that they lived in fear at all . There were attacks on Jews ? yes , but to compare it to a next "kristallnacht" is exagerated .Yes , Jewish places are guarded , but here you have to open your bag too . Schools are secured , are'nt there safety people here too ? I made Alyah some 8 years ago , my hebrew is not 100 % , i have a light accent . But that's not a problem , many people here made Alyah once , and they receive you very well . For you still living in Europe , where you were born , lived a part of your life , you don't know how it feels to be at HOME , BABAIT ! It's great . Come to live here , we face problems , not everything here is perfect , not all the people behave correctly , but to be at HOME , that's it !
62. # 57 Quit Bullying Petra
Lawrence ,   Safed Israel   (03.06.09)
I was also an "armchair zionist" and still am: I believe every armchair should live in Eretz Israel.
63. Charles from Petah Tikva
Gábor Fränkl ,   Budapest, Hungary   (03.06.09)
Didn't it occur to you Charles that Petra might be, just might be a Christian, clever mind?!
64. #12 Antisemites downplay antisemitism
Elly ,   Vienna, Austria   (03.06.09)
#12 The fact that you accuse Israel of "crimes against humanity" and deny antisemitism in Europe speaks for itself. You are a good example why Jews should move to Israel.
65. Fear
Moshe ,   Israel   (03.06.09)
I have two children one living in England and one living in France, I visited both in the last two weeks; neither they not I am concerned about where they live. You may be a little paranoid.
66. #4With a muslim as prez? that's what they said before the
ex US   (03.06.09)
holocaust. Dream on......... delusion will keep you safe and protected. Get out before the ugly americans show their true color. What does electing for obama tell you? I guess you consider him a "leader".
67. what should European Jews do
joyce ,   New York, USA   (03.07.09)
Let's follow an example of Chassidim in Brooklyn during the 1970's when Jewish children were being attacked in their neighborhoods. The Chassidim came out in large numbers with baseball bats and pursued the assailants. It might be a good idea if vulnerable communities stayed in close cellphone contact and when anyone was under attack, if everyone came out in defense. We cannot afford to be passive.
68. Can Jews Live In Europe
Just Me ,   USA   (03.07.09)
#66, Wow, that's a very LOW blow...I know many who did not vote for America's current President. Also, I'm a Christian, NOT a Muslim, I am an American born and raised...trust me, I'd be one to stand up for you and beside you...and I resent your putting me in the pot as "an ugly American" (I'm quite kind and attractive). I have nothing against Jews...we both answer to and pray to the SAME God. We also have something else in common...those that hate BOTH of us. You're not alone, so please don't think you are.
69. Come home, brothers, return home sisters, we in Israel await
Jehudah Ben-Israel ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (03.07.09)
your shivat zion (the return to Zion)!!! There is so much more to contribute to the well being of our people and of our national home here in Israel that you too can and should take an active part in it, since after all, it is our home, the home of the entire Jewish people.
70. Matt US
Mae \White ,   Tel Aviv   (03.07.09)
Whoa Matt do you even hear yourself...what Israel does is the same as what is being doen to us by the Arbs...I didn't realize we were subpposed to absorb missiles in our legitimate borders for so many years wi thout responding...wonder what the US would do if Mexico started lobbing missiles over the border into Ca. for say 7 or 8 years. We in Israel do want to lay down our arms and live in peace- come on over and hear it yourself---but with what parter? Hamas???
71. Gabriel Budapest
Mae White ,   Tel Aviv   (03.07.09)
Gabriel, I am an olah from the US and I can show you many many olim frm other countries who are doing very very well in Israel..As a matter of fact it is a country of immigrnat,s and you can do very well IF you want. Do you want to though???
72. I'm coming!
jdamn ,   indianapolis, IN, US   (03.07.09)
We're leaving America too. 5% of Americans clearly want another Holocaust, as their votes last November made clear. Academica is already being ethniclly cleansed of Jews through the MESA-Nostra-funded Arab student visa racket. Were not safe.
73. Money
Bernard Madoff ,   New York/ US   (03.07.09)
Of course they can. Let them come in their thousands. Plenty of money to around for everyone. Trust me. I went to all that trouble for such rainy days. How else can I help my brothers in faith? I can almost buy a whole country now.
74. i'm even afraid to travel to europe. i went there once,
debra ,   usa   (03.07.09)
which i regret doing, and saw the anne frank house in amsterdam, and i felt the horror of the holocaust all around me. europe is drenched with the blood of all the jews that perished there--it's not a decent place for today's jews.
75. Gabor , 63
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (03.07.09)
If she is , i'm not thinking it , she should mind her own business .
76. Do not ignore anti-Semitism.
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (03.07.09)
Do not ignore the hate of Jews : you know where it starts, you never know how and when it stops as, explained at : http://xrl.us/kw6hh
77. HASHIVA - THE RETURN !!!.
Orao Stranka. ,   Tsarigrad u Srbia.   (03.07.09)
Leave the continent that fondly recalls its anti-Semitism; we in Israel need you. The addition of hundreds of thousands of wealthy Jews will boost Israel, end the illusions of any Israeli Arabs who dream about a demographic victory, and make Israel's economic supremacy absolute. You, who will be arriving in Israel now, will turn it not into one of the world's 20 wealthiest countries - this has already been achieved – but rather, one of the 10 richest countries on the globe. As opposed to what you have become accustomed to hearing from the global media, for you, the Jews of Europe, Israel is not the problem – rather, it's the solution. YES !!! - JEHOVA IS NO LIAR, CANT YOU HEAR HIS VOICE - -COME HOME- !!!. THIS IS HIS WORD OF PROMISE. MUST JEHOVA RISE HOSTILITY TOWARDS YOU IN ORDER FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THIS ???. Orao.
78. Brian #23 and cultural snobbery
Rina   (03.07.09)
Kindness and respect? My Israeli cousins welcomed their American uncle and aunt, unannounced, into their house as they were packing to move took them on a tour and to the best restaurants. When they came to visit in the U.S., his wife kept them standing in the doorway while she called him at work and sent them to him. He took an hour off to take them to lunch. Yuck. Give me Israeli culture over that any time.
79. land of opportunity
bri ,   phil usa   (03.07.09)
come to usa plenty of room here.
80. The threat is Christian, not Muslim!
David Turner ,   Richmond, USA   (03.07.09)
Christianity has persecuted and murdered us of the centuries in our unfortunate dispersion in their midst. It was Christian society that perpetrated the slaughters of Jews by 10th century Crusade and 15th century Inquisition. It was Christian society in its secular state form that determined the Jewish Problem had to be solved with finality and built death factories to murder us one and all. Islam may never have loved us, but neither did Islam does accuse us of murdering their god. If we were unloved we were no more discriminated against tthan any other minority in their midst. It was not personal. Our problem with Islam today results from several sources: our conflict with the Arabs over Israel, yes. But also the place of Islam in the world today, its conflict between religious tradition and modernity, its sense of failure in its continuing copetition with Christian society. Moslem antisemitism is real, but it was the Christians, not the Muslims, who built Auschwits. And the Christian problem with the Jews, their Jewish Problem, is not yet solved, finally.
81. Arabs in Israel
Ein Stein ,   Sweden   (03.07.09)
There are too many arabs in Israel. Make them less than 3% and it may be a good idea to move to the jewish state. Having 20% arabic enemies in the country is no good solution. Other minorities are ok. But not arabs. I can see how badly they behave here in Sweden.
82. The real question is: Can the jews live in the M. E.?
Misha   (03.07.09)
More Jews are been killed in the M. E. in 1 year than 40 years in the entire planet earth. The number can be verified and confirmed. Israel is not safe heaven for the Jews. USA and Europe are safer, much safer for the Jews.
83. 750000 jews?
Alex ,   ZURICH   (03.07.09)
750'000 jews in Western Europe? There are over 900'000 in France and the U.K. alone......
84. Can Jews live in Europe?
Kristina ,   Slovakia   (03.07.09)
I am a Jew living in Europe, I have lived in Israel for 5 years. Well, people have problems everywhere and they dont have to be Jews. What homeland is there where children are afraid to sleep because of the rockets? Dont you have problems with the Muslim terrorists? I dont think problems in Europe are bigger and they hate not only Jews. In the terror attack in USA in 2001they killed not only Jews. It is true that Israel is a rich and prosperous country but for Jews it is as safe as Europe, in my opinion.You can find extremists anywhere.
85. Jews can only disappear in Europe
ABITBOL Mordekhai ,   PARIS, FRANCE   (03.07.09)
Independantly of the current evolution o mentalities and of the growing dependance of Europe on its growing muslim population (For Exemple 30% of the population of BELGIUM is Muslim; in France the real number of muslims id closer to 8 Millions rather than to th4.5 regonized officially by the french government, the new behaviour of Northern European countries towards Israel reflects the fact that their population is made of at least 10 à to 15 % of Muslims), One has to keep in mind some more dangerous real number: 50% of the children of the Jews who emifrated from North Africa to France are married to christians or more recently in some suburbs of Paris and Marseilles with muslims. I know personnally A Director of Research in my institution who married a muslim young woman. Previously in my Hospital An Ashkenazi MD married a muslim MD . They latter divorced . She converted to christianity and her two children initially raised outside any faith are now Catholic. The Jewish communities both in Europe and North America will disappear through intermarriages. In France, It is very difficult to find a Jewish Match even if you live in Paris or Marseilles. In smaller towns , it is nearly impossible. The disappearance of Jews in countries outside Israel is unavoidable. The Discussions about Secularisation of Israel are crazy for the Time Beeing. The Stu Quo is the best solution until the state of Israel has a bigger population and a bigger territory. A Secular Jew who married a christian woman who is a wonderful human beeing very attached to her Faitrh and who is extremely sad to feel that as a human beeing he is still alive but as a Jew he is dead although he tries to respect the jewish religious traditions. The children belong to the reformed Synagogues at the first generation in the best case and the Gand Children are for sure lost for Judaism: That is the plain TRUTH
86. Answer To Sara
ABITBOL Mordekhai ,   PARIS, FRANCE   (03.07.09)
This article is not absurd at All. Read my anwer to Guy BECHOR and you will understand. You are living in Tel Aviv , In Israel, You Speak Hebrew. Your Parents or your ancestors were courageous enough to choose to live in Israel. Mine were not And I had not the courage to quit France in 1974 when I was 17 years ald nor in 1975 when I was 18 years old. Spinoza coined the wonderful expression:: To persevere in our self beeing The question for every human beeing is as Halet said it : To Be or not to Be De facto we can be fully jewish CULTURALLY even as secular Jews only In Israel. Most of the Jews living in other countries do not know the jewish culture. (Without speaking of the Bible) To read Amos Oz , Nahman BIALIK, APPENFELD, Avrahan YEOSHOUAH, David Grossmann, Martin BUBER, Yeshyahou LEIVBOVITZ, Gershom SCHOLEM, Adin Steisaltz and so many talented writers in Hebrew is really possible outside ISRAEL except for very few Jews. To Marry a Jewish partner is extremely difficult outside Israel Marc
87. TO MARLENE, How Wrong you are
ABITBOL ,   PARIS , FRANCE   (03.07.09)
My Children are Half-Jews. They were and are repeatedly insulted now as DIRTY JEWS in the best places of PARIS. The French Universities are increasingly antisemitic............. France Took 69 years to recognize her CRIMES during the second World War. What do you know of the second Holocaust after the War where so many jews converted to christianity ? You really do not live in France..... When you come from Nrth Africa and when you are a Jew Now it is worse. They bring you close to the water but they do not let you drink..... as Harod ABRAHAM said it in the movie Chariot of Fire We are renting citizens............. The Governments is not antisemitic That is correct for the time beeing in France.........But what about the reality in the real Ground.....Uou know nothing about it I am MD.PhD DSc and I have TWO boards in 2 specialties of Medicine I am Internationally recognized for my achievments and I Do not feel safe anymore in FRANCE ..... Is it Clar for You And yje policy of Israel has nothing to do with the existence of this situation . Europe is Christian and more and mor Muslim and we are vanishing as jews though intermariages Including in the ISA
88. Jews in Europe
Paul Kersey ,   Southern Cal USA   (03.08.09)
The Kufir Liberation Coalition, is not going to let nonKufir attack Kufir, without responding to these attacks. We agoing to set up safe houses and underground networks when the legal authorities don't act properly. We are going to force the secular governments to provide a safe culture for the Kufir. Around the world. We kufir are going to make the secular society respect us Kufir just like they respect the nonKufir!
89. About ISRAEL, ZIONISM and Guy BECHOR
ABITBOL ,   PARIS, FRANCE   (03.08.09)
I would like to Emphasize the fact that Jewish names in France do not mean anymore that those having them are Jews. We have Monseigneur BENHAMIAS or BENAMIAS who is an Archibishop (Archevêque). Just GOOGLE and you will find him Cohen, Levy and any other jewish name are now also christian names in FRANCE. The main problem of We Jews is our ignorance of our culture and our absence of resistance our lack of persistency in our self. Most Jews are ignorant about their culture. This why teaching Hebrew , teaching the hebrew of the Bible and the modern hebrew is the first thing to do if we want judaism as a culture and Israel as a state to survive and to thrive. If we start by eliminating the Reformed Jews genuinely attached to their jewish identity, we will loose most of American an British Jewries. Hebrew is the elementary cement betwen Jews. Secular disciplines must be taught in religious schools. The knowledge of the Bible must be diseminated in all jewish schools in hebrew for secular and religious pupils. It is a Major element of our cultural patrimony. Teaching the bible does not mean necessarily multiplying YECHIVOTH. THe TANAKH must be taught and debated afterwards. If Someone has the knowledge of his or her identity , The probability that he or she looses it is Much Lower. With an uncertain, fragile identity, the probability to loose it is close to 100%. If you want to transmit your language, your Culture, your husband and wife must share the same will to transmit this identity. We must increase Tolerance between all Jews and strengthen our bonds. What can destroy us, in addition to Intermarriages, is our self-hate, our hate of other jews who do not share our beliefs , our point of view. TEACHING HEBREW, INCREASING THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION OF ALL JEWS IN ALL DISCIPLINES, Practicing Tolerance towards all jews (except the antisemitic jews of course), Strengthening the bonds between all tendancies of Judaism are the best way to preserve our identity and to allow ti the House of Israel to THRIVE. Favoring Sojourns even for one or Two weeks of Intermrried people in order to allow the non jewish partner to discover Israel is agood way to stop the Hemmorage. It is of utmost importance that the Government of Israel , The Jewish Agency and all the leaders of the diaspora unite their efforts as never before for saving the jewish people. In time of existential theats towards the Jews and towards the state of ISRAEL: UNITY IS MANDATORY. SACRIFICES ALSO. THE STATE and ITS JEWISH CHARACTER MUST BE PRESERVE WHATEVER THE COST MAY BE. IGNORING EDUCATION IS THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS OUR COMMON DEATH. People must have in mind in the era of free trade that poor jews constitute from now on the vast majority of jews in all countries. America and the European Union are not spared. We are all in a sea of DEBTS as TIME MAGAZUNE PUT IT IN ITS COVERPAGE. But the Greatest Debt we have as Jews is towards our ancestors and towards the Fighters (Soldiers or Civilians) who gave their lives or were crippled by wounds in order to allow ISRAEL to exist AROUR HAMAN , BAROUKH MORDEKHAI HAG SAMEYAH POURIM SAMEYAH
90. #12 lots of ARABS immigrted to palestine just after zionist
movement started   (03.08.09)
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