IDF-hired driver: 'Why did they kill so few?'
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 11.06.10, 16:16
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61. #39 it's the cover up operation which followed
observer   (06.12.10)
You are right; the incident was a deliberate attack to prevent the Liberty from picking up signals that could have forewarned the United States of an Israeli military push into Syria the next day. But, the Israelis initially claimed they had "mistaken" the Liberty for the Egyptian ship El Quseir. But the El Quseir was only 40 percent the size of Liberty (4000 vs. 10,400 tons). The El Quseir was an old, rustedout horse transport that bore about as much resemblance to the Liberty as a rusty VW does to a new Cadillac. The Liberty was arrayed with numerous specialized antennas, and an ultramodern (for 1967) 16foot microwave dish, a device possessed by no other ship in the world except her sister ship Belmont. She bore standard U.S. Navy markings, which included a freshly painted 10foothigh hull number, and Liberty on the stern. The radio jamming is by itself damning evidence that the assailants knew exactly whom they were attacking. Such jamming requires intimate advance knowledge of the target being jammed, obtained by extended monitoring of its signals. And this was selective jamming; it struck Liberty's frequencies and no others. Don't you find similarities in both cover-up stories.
62. To: No. 46
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (06.12.10)
Picky, picky. Wrong beach. Doesn't exactly change what happened, though, does it? Interesting that you entirely fail to acknowledge the fact that YES, Moslems attacked innocent Australian beachgoers because they thought they dressed too immodestly. Stick to the substance, hunny bunny. If they are that unhappy with modern Western beach dress in Australia, shouldn't they just go live someplace else? Attacking innocent Aussie beachgoers seems a bit -- well -- obnoxious, don't you agree? Why are you defending them? ALL of Israel's actions in Gaza and in the north were purely retaliatory in nature. Would you rather Israel sat and merely absorbed the blows? Lara, your hatred of Israel is clearly on display. Why are you here?
63. To: Jorge at No. 48
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (06.12.10)
Precisely. Abu Ghraib, too.
64. To: Paul at No. 50
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (06.12.10)
Oh! You mean like Helen Thomas, right?
65. To: No. 54
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (06.12.10)
War is hell. Arabs, Islamofascists and terrorists should keep that in mind. Not everyone knuckles under to terror. Or do you think terrorists should be allowed to simply run amuck. What would you have had the United States do in response to the events of September 11? Israel has had to deal with terror since even before the modern state was established. Please keep that in mind. Beyond that, your post was pithy. The Islamofascists, Arabs and their terrorist minions have wrought havoc upon the Jewish state. What would you have Israel do? Are we not entitled to exist? Sixty-two years of unrelenting terror and six wars -- all started by the Arabs, and won by Israel -- should tell you who is the aggressor in the region.
66. To: No. 47
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (06.12.10)
"Activists." Interesting euphemism for "terrorists."
67. To: No. 55
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (06.12.10)
"Be human if you can" So, what's your take on the relentless massacre of innocent Kurds by the Turks? Some analysts put the number at 250,000 dead Kurds, massacred by the Turks. What was that you were saying about wishing for more peace in the world? Why not start at home?
68. To: No. 60
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (06.12.10)
No one is proud of killing. No one appreciates the NEED to kill in order to preserve one's existence. The fact of the matter, Sara, is that Israel could have been the best -- probably only -- friend the Palestinians have had. But no. The Palestinians chose violence over friendship. Look at everything the Israelis brought to the Palestinians since 1967. The Jordanians ignored you. The Egyptians ignored you. We gave you a modern lifestyle. We brought you infrastructure. We brought you sewage systems (thus ending the chronic bouts of cholera which have plagued you since 1948). We brought you hospitals, schools and universities. We brought you electricity. We taught you irrigation techniques. We provided you with well-paying jobs in Israel. And how have you repaid our kindness? With unrelenting terror and violence. Well -- we are heartily sick to death of you. You made your bed, Sara. Now you have to lie in it. Sleep well.
69. To: No. 61
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (06.12.10)
Actually, dear, what I find is that the G-d of Israel neither sleeps nor slumbers. Am Israel Chai. It is foolish to attempt to pervert the will of G-d.
70. To: No. 61, further
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (06.12.10)
I am heartily relieved to realize that you understand the true purpose of the USS LIBERTY. That said -- she was spying on Israel in order to benefit the Jordanians and the Syrians at a time when Israel was engaged in an active shooting conflict with both nations. That's why she was blown out of the water. Why should Israel have to pay the price for the desire of the United States to not see the Arab world unduly humiliated? Why?
71. #55 Cool let Kurds create their country
Ze'ev ,   Lod   (06.12.10)
This should suit your ideology...
72. Patriotism?
A Jerusalemite ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (06.12.10)
This is NOT patriotism. This is shameful ignorance and bigotry!
73. #62 - Sarah
lara ,   Australia   (06.12.10)
"Substance" -You got the wrong beach, and wrong story too. it was 1 riot 5 years ago fuled by dunken idiots, no one was killed. It sparked when a bunch of people rallying spotted and attacked a middle eastern man. It was between Lebanese and Anglo communities. More than half of the Lebanese community in Australia are Christian, not Muslim. It had nothing to do with what people wear or religion, it was about race. As for "purely retaliatory" actions of Israel... 4400 submunitions, compared to 4.6million is not retaliation, it is insanely disproportionate. The same applies to Gaza. The tensions and provocation caused by settlers is disturbing. 1.5million Palestinians have been forced to live in and not leave a tiny strip. Last years war on Gaza saw the deaths of between 1100 -1450 Palestinians and 13 Israelis, including 4 who were killed in friendly fire. Again, disproportionate. The reason i am here, is to read the funny little stories you make up.
74. To: No. 73
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (06.12.10)
Really? "Drunken idiots?" Silly me. Here I thought Moslems didn't drink. Duh. I have been addressing the issue of the violent Moslems who attacked innocent women who went to the beach dressed in bikinis, Bikinis do not bother me. Evidently, however, they do seem to bother Moslem immigrants to Australia. (Hello -- if you don;t like it; leave). So, dear ... please tell me what your issues with Israel are.
75. #69,70
observer   (06.12.10)
((the G-d of Israel neither sleeps nor slumbers)), so Jews lie before G-d to fulfill his will. Not only the Heavenly G-d, but the G-d America. No my dear!, the USS Liberty was off Gaza Coast in international water, close to Egyptian Sinai, not Syrian Golan. The Crew could see Al-Arish with naked eye and it was not hard for them to see the IDF herding the Egyptian soldiers POW there to massacre them in cold blood. According to James Ennes, former US Officer, in less than 15 miles from where the USS Liberty was an execution process for up to one thousand Egyptian POWS, the IDF soldiers ordered them to dig their graves more likely sand ditches where the Egyptians jumped in and the machine guns spoke to them loudly and these machine guns had the last word concerning their lives. Without that cover up op. there wouldn't have been the 73 American Nickel Grass arm supply op that kept Israel alive. Israel is familiar with the whitewash op.
76. #74 - Sarah
lara ,   Australia   (06.13.10)
Ynet didn't publish my reply. So here's another one.... The Riots were Race Riots not based on Religion. Like I said, it was between the Lebanese community and the Anglo-Celtic community (NOT MUSLIMS). FACT: Majority of Lebanese in Australia are NOT Muslim. And the riots had nothing to do with bekinis. My issue, is how you reply to everything with "Muslim" FACT:We're not all Muslim. There are Catholic and Greek Orthodox Palestinians there are Lebanese Maronite and other Christian religions too. Don't generalise and spin bias lies, that have nothing to do with the events. If you want to speak ill of a particular religion atleast get the facts correct and build an argument around fact, not made up stories. You obviously have an Issue with Muslims. I'm not even Muslim and find your posts offensive because of your inaccurate depictions of events and the way you speak about them like it's some kind of disease. FACT: The topic is in relation to the IDF bus with a sign saying "shame on you. Why did they kill so few?" Not Australia. The sign is a disgusting symbol of the wanting of further violence and murder. My first statement was to draw a comparison between this and the uproar regarding Helen Thomas's opinion. And your reply was to accuse me of "rabid anti-semitism" and "hatred for Israel". I was not hostile, I did not threaten your existance, I did not wish death upon you and I did not accuse you of doing anything that was not true and I did not make up stories to dehumanise jews. All i did was provide facts and figures as well as an opinion which you obviously disagree with, that doesn't make me anti-semetic, it makes me have an opinion.
77. Most israelis are blinded
Muslim ,   Turkey   (06.13.10)
and can not see what they are up to. When israel bombed lebanon in 2006 and killed 1400 lebanese in less than a month, most of the jews with israeli passport supported it and when israel killed 1400 Palestinians in Gaza last winter (again in less than a month), jews with israeli passport cheered. You defend everything your state and army does as long as it is against non-jews. Just look at #1 who says "we are becoming like the Palestinians of the 90:s", he is ignoring that the israelis of 1948, 50s, 60s, 70s,80s,90s,2000 have killed more in just 3 weeks than what the Arabs did during the entire 90:s and this is despite the fact that arabs have a right to defend themselves from israeli occupation and opression, whereas israel is a state built on someone elses land for the sake of foreigners from all over the world. I dont espect any jew with a israel passport here on ynet to agree with me because i know how your too brainwashed to see facts and have convinced yourself that your right in everything. Just remember that a day will come when you will have to pay for all these crimes that you have whitewashed and managed to convince yourself that they were noble. Israel has destroyed so many jews and the jews who chose to stay in their homelands instead of participating in the colonialization of Palestine have done themselves a huge service.
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