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Jesus lives on in Jerusalem
Yoaz Hendel
Published: 19.08.10, 21:27
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91. 61 , you don't pay anything
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.20.10)
We pay fot the new fighter Jets we ordered . And what we "receive" , we have to spend it in your country . You help us because you know that we are your ONLY true ALLIES in the whole region , it's a kind of insurance for you .
92. Jonathan , Jews don't accept people
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.20.10)
who change their belief , who "convert" to another religion . An Jewish Atheist did'nt adhere to another faith , does'nt pray to a "god" . He can stay 100 % Jewish , without believing .
93. No. 17 M. Hartley
NYC Girl   (08.20.10)
While your advice to ignore these people sounds perfectly reasonable, the problem arises when they use deceitful methods to draw people in. In fact, the reason why missionary activity has been outlawed in Israel is because of the problem of missionaries proselytizing in poor neighborhoods, particularly those where a lot of the residents are Israelis whose families originally came from the Middle East. In large part, the reason this group is frequently targeted is because, having come from traditional Muslim societies, they have little or no familiarity with Christianity and, therefore, are less likely to be suspicious of the motives of these missionaries, who then try to convince the parents that they want to provide their children with a better education than they're getting in the often sub-standard schools they're attending. Then, added to that, is usually a promise of financial help to these struggling families, in order to sweeten the deal. But, unbeknownst to the families, what appeared to be an opportunity to better their childrens' lives, becomes a means by which these missionaries will brainwash them into accepting this cockamamie hybrid religion referred to as Messianic Judaism.
94. 92 Atheist Jewish Pope Has Spoken
Israeli ,   Israel   (08.20.10)
Charles opinion + 10 Shekels will buy a cup of coffee. Uneducated ranting uninformed opinions everyday without end as if hes an authority. He's an authority on nothing whatsoever. How tiring.
95. These Talkbacks prove people live lives directed by rumour.
JMK ,   NYC   (08.20.10)
People think based upon simplistic emotional charged and satisfying myths. The problem is even if these same people opened a book they are totally unprepared to read critically and read without any perspective. The Holy Books are fictional forgeries. The stories within are propagandistic fictional myths, make believe for small children.
96. RE:56 Looking unto Him is Future,the one Pierces-Past
chris moore ,   porthmadog,uk   (08.20.10)
Looking unto Him is Future,the one Pierces is pointing to the cross 2000 years ago-Past so what you have here is a Prophecy that Once again Jews will look at the person they Thought was not the messiah,But this time they will accept him because God takes away the veil..Look at zech 12:10-14 You have the whole picture there..Past reference as you said,But you only pointed to The general Who was killed,But Zechariah uses that as an example of another One..This is refering to the cross..why would Jews look back to this general,but we know why they would look unto the One Crucified for obvious reasons,because He is the One spoken of throughout the Scriptures,old and New Testament. then Zechariah 14 tells us His feet will stand on that day upon the mount Of Olives,God has no feet to stand there,except the Lord here is yeshua,bare in mind He left the earth from this spot and promised to return to the same spot! acts 1:11 there you have it Friend! shalom!
97. #92 Charles, You conveniently forgot the
Jonathan ,   Jerusalem   (08.20.10)
Buddha reference I made. Do you believe the Jews who no longer practice Judaism but rather are 100% buddhist in there beliefs are no longer Jewish? That seems to say that being Jewish is only about religion and not about ethnicity or nationality. I believe that at least 70% of Israeli's would disagree with this assertion.
98. 88 , no religious brainwashing in State Schools
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.20.10)
Maybe that some of those "messianics" received a Jewish education , but , as you did , wanted to read some other books ? You too were searching your "road" , but found it in Orthodox Judaism , they in another direction .
99. 94 , poor Israeli . It's good that there are SANE ones
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.20.10)
too , you don't belong to this category
100. Jonathan 86 . I have never seen
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.20.10)
christian sects trying to convince adult Jews to their superstition in the street . Many , if not most , of the converts to Judaism do it out of conviction , or to please their future family before marrying . They don't need proselyting . So by law , chabad people may not ask a boy under 18 if he has put on tefilin today ? Good to know . Next time i'll see it i will photography the scene and file a complaint .
101. Messianics/Christians
George ,   St Louis, USA   (08.20.10)
Putting Jewish clothes on a Greek deity doesn't make him the scriptural messiah. As long as Messianics ador Jesus/Yeshua, they are tainted by the Greek deity promoted by Simon Magus.
102. Enough religious phobias
Avi ,   Jerusalem   (08.20.10)
I served with a few Messianic Jews in the IDF. They are outstanding people to work with and have every right to be here like every other stream of Judaism. I say the more the merrier.
103. are Khazarian Jews Jewish
Alan ,   New Orlean, LA   (08.20.10)
This author is hopelessly confused as to the status of "Jews". According to Jewish law, any convert to true Judaism becomes a "descendant of Abraham" upon conversion. Male or female, they are given a Hebrew name (Shmuel, Miriam, whatever) that ends with "ben Avraham" (son of Abraham) in the case of men, and "bat Avraham", (daughter of Abraham) in the case of women. Converts are the "adopted children" of Abraham, and therefore covered by the promise in Genesis 12:1-2. The author needs to do a LOT more Jewish homework before pontificating on the issue of Jewish identity.
104. are the messianic Jews circumcised?
observer   (08.20.10)
in Genesis 17:12, Moses states that Abraham was ordered to circumcise not only his son Isaac who at the time was not yet born but all the males born in his house, whether sons or servants, including the slaves. All of these were circumcised on one day together with Abraham; Ishmael too, who at the time was thirteen years of age, as the text informs us. Thus the convent or decree of circumcision encompasses the entire seed of all the descendants of Abraham, particularly Ishmael, who was the first seed of Abraham to be circumcised. Accordingly Ishmael is not only the equal of his brother Isaac, but he might even if this were to be esteemed before God be entitled to boast of his circumcision more than Isaac, since he was circumcised one year sooner. In view of this, the Ishmaelites might well enjoy a higher repute than the Israelites, for their forefather Ishmael was circumcised before Isaac, the progenitor of the Israelites, was born. Genesis 17:7-14). And Ishmael became part and parcel of the covenant as Abraham’s first born: “And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. That very same day Abraham was circumcised, and his son Ishmael.” As a matter of fact, Ishmael bearing the sign of the covenant and being Abraham’s first descendant entered into the covenant. As President Sadat said: "Jews are rather affiliated to the Ishmaelites who are the descendants of Abraham"
105. These People Are Brave and Honourable
World Citizen ,   the world   (08.20.10)
It takes real courage to stand by your beliefs in a country where the offcial ruling orthodoxy is so hostile to Christianity. Thanks ynetnews for this insight into their world.
106. Incorrect
Valerie ,   USA   (08.20.10)
Your assumptions are incorrect. You have taken what small information you have and applied it to the whole spectrum. More than likely, you are associating all "Christians" with Catholicism, judging from your reference to pictures and little statues. Catholicism went off on a pagan tangent a very long time ago. Very few of those I know who follow the Way use them. There is far more to following Yeshua than what you know. It is hard to see Yeshua in the Tanuch if all you listen to first is those who tell you He is not there, then you do everything you can to not see Him. However, try it the other way around; without your presuppositions, and you may see things you never saw before. YHWH always made a way for the goyim to become a part of Israel. Torah was to go to the nations. All nations would be blessed because of YHWH working through His chosen people.
107. Born Jewish believe in Jewish Messiah=Jew
Amy ,   Israel   (08.20.10)
If they are born Jewish believe in Jewish Messiah Yeshua =Jewish They are Jewish!!! Just as Yeshua Jesus was.
108. Christians and Jews
Fsred Mehlos ,   Grafton, WI USA   (08.20.10)
It's my understanding that Christians are Jews in the tradition of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. We are brothers!
109. # 40
RC ,   USA   (08.21.10)
Well said Rivka thank you.
110. Orthodox have Noahide Missionaries
Thomas Fischer ,   Melbourne, Australia   (08.21.10)
It is clear this article throws a cat amongst the pigeons. I find it interesting that while "missionary" is a dirty word amongst Jews, the Orthodox try and target apostate baptists in the US south for nconversion to Judaism lite with 7 noahide laws. So the outreach behaviour they condemn in others they themselves do- isn't this hypocrisy? Just go to the Arutz Sheva web site and it is full of Noahide conversion material targeted at lapsed Christians. I was glad the orthodox persecution of Messianics was acknowledged. Orthodox Jews are so controlled by fear, they stridently insist they have a patent on Judaism with the Talmud, while using violence and intimidation to isolate Messianics from society. Hardly the behavior one would expect of those who are confident they have truth.
111. Simon Peter ate Kosher
Sam ,   Texas   (08.21.10)
112. #103 How can coverts be descendants of Abraham
observer   (08.21.10)
converts cant be chosen, but at best Torah observants. In Islam, Converts and born Muslims are EQUAL. Islam is ahead of Judaism and Christianity, and is completing those. Islam came for the WHOLE mankind.
113. how can the reformer be older the the reformed
observer   (08.21.10)
Islam is affirming the believe in both Judaism and Christianity, and is the reformer of them.
114. Statue?
Chris ,   Anchorage, AK   (08.21.10)
What statue might that be?
115. 97 , jonathan , read correctl;y what i wrote
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.21.10)
116. Being Jewish is just that!
Jerimiah ,   Texas,USA   (08.21.10)
To 72 and 45. THis would simply be called a "Non Obeserant Jew" of which is still a jew by soul,, and birth. You can find so many references to this an as an asnwer. I live in Texas not 4 blocks from a Baptist College. One of the 1st Messianic groups ever in thet State was 17 years ago right down the road, 3 blocks to be exact. Out of curiosity I visted this so called "Messianic group" and guess what? They were 95% comprised of Baptist students! Things that make you go Hmmm? My birth mothers side is Jewish and my adopted fathers was Baprist,and some Pentacost. I consider to Petacostals to be the neart thing to being like Judiac Orhtodox. As they belive in all that their bible says, and they do not, and will not allow change! It is what it is, but not the Baptist, as thye have a venue, and 80% of you are very correct!
117. Great article
Paul ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.21.10)
It is good news when the press decides to give a balanced view on what is happening in Israel. Often small ethnic or religious groups are so maligned. Thanks YNET!
118. M. Hartley , # 72
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.21.10)
You can be a secular non believer but still be Jewish from head to toe . And this not because your parents were both Jews since generations . By being secular you did'nt adopt another faith , you did'nt reject your Jewishness . I'll always give this example , a well known one , of mgr Lustiger , the bishop of Paris . I never considered him to be Jewish , he rejected Judaism and converted to another faith . And this is the same with any "religion" or adoration of a boudda , you can't be both .
119. #63 No religion is promoting Torah - No one.
Josh   (08.21.10)
Rabbis have made it illegal to do the shma. Torah is not on doorposts visible to be read, rather a black box you make a magical incantaion on when you hang it. See the Ballam story to see why the tents of Jaacob would be conquered if they had magic in every home. Dupe. I am pro Hebrews pro Jews and Torah is Devarim. Figure out why and prove yourself.
120. Jews sacrafice to man gods and ghosts too. Eliyahu & fathers
Yehoshua   (08.21.10)
Eliyahu who repaired a pagan alter to later sacrafice to God on it, a complete violation of Torah law to smash and destroy such evil alters, supposedly is now an etrenal being living in hevaen. That makes him a god. (Guess you could compare this to Mohammed) Jews set out wine for his blessing, that is a sacrafice. How is this didfferent from the Christian wine for the man eternal Jesus? Violations of the first commandment. How aout the plaes of food to the fathers for blessings when we are supposed to e laying food aside for the true God for a blessing. Provaction and making ghosts that give our naion blessings is paganism. We are no better. Maybe we should be? We are being misled like the Chritsians and we get curses for our sins and the leaders know it.
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