I believe that different races have different characteristics.I am against racial discrimination.I am for equal rights for equal contribution.Am i a racist?

I stop when i decide to stop.If you want a stop,than you stop. I am not a soldier,and you are not my superior.Stop giving orders! If my 10 times" never" are not enough,i have some more for you in reserve.I lost a headache,that s all i lost. And you are unable to be sad for somebody else than for you.I do not expect an answer,so stop if you want me to stop entertaining the TBers on our account.

since racism is based on a theory of supremacy of one "race" over another. As soon as you claim no racial discrimination and equal rights you are not racist. The problem is what is a "race"? Actually, biology doesn't give any answer, one definition could be "if two people male and female can reproduce then they belong to the same race". If this is an equivalence relation (mathematically speaking) it defines a concept of races (the equivalence classes), and blacks whites, yellows etc. belong to the same race, dogs belong to the same race independently of their pedigree etc. One can also try to use the genetic code, but as far as I know there is nothing really convincing from this side except to declare that a race is given by the genetic code. But then everybody is a single race. Well, I think that the concept of race is not a workable concept. It is better replaced by the concept of nation, tribe, family etc...

Over and OUT , if you understand this .

It is over and over again

And you're losing more and more . I let you have a lolly , you may answer again and enjoy this gift .

Thanks Yossef,i like your clear way of explaining things.You could be professor in Weizman institute.Are you?

"You could be professor in Weizman institute. Are you?" I have been, not permanent however. I'm more at the HUJI. Take care.

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Hyde and de Valera offered condolences on Hitler's death! Wasn't neutrality enough for them? The only ones who saved Ireland's reputation were those who volunteered for the war effort under the Union Jack.

Now that I have your attention ... Intermarriage has the potential to be an existential threat to the Jewish family. It also has the potential to be the greatest blessing to the Jewish family. It all depends on what happens after the wedding. Looking at this numerically, let's look at 3 cultures, one with no intermarriage, and two others, each of which have a 50% intermarriage rate. 1. Culture one. 10 Jewish couples, each of whom have 2 boys and 2 girls. The Jewish couples have no intermarriage, next generation, they have 20 Jewish couples, and the generation following they have 40 Jewish couples. Not too shabby. Culture 2. 10 Jewish couples, each of whom have 2 boys and 2 girls. The Jewish couples have 50% intermarriage. Next generation they still have only 10 Jewish couples, where their non-Jewish neighbors are growing. The following generation, still only 10 Jewish couples to even more non-Jewish couples. Not good at all. Culture 3. 10 Jewish couples, each of whom have 2 boys and 2 girls. The Jewish couples have 50% intermarriage. BUT these all have their non-Jewish bride/groom convert to Judaism. Now the next generation has 30 Jewish couples, and the following generation has 90 Jewish couples. Now we're talking! So preventing intermarriage is not the best solution. The best solution is to encourage those non-Jewish brides or grooms to convert. Then you can say truthfully, you're not losing a child (to the goyim), you're gaining a child (for the whole Jewish family).

Conversion is an excellent idea! I agree - it was very wise. That way when your child marries, you're not losing a child (to the goyim), you're gaining a child (for the family of Israel). And you're absolutely right - there is no reason Jewish education should not be affordable to every Jew who wants it. If I were in charge of a local Jewish school, I would work out work-for-tuition or similar plans, or scholarships for exceptional students.

I simply won't get married.

By converting a person becomes a follower of the Jewish faith , not a Jew . To become a Jew , some generations are needed . Those convertts have'nt this Jewish background we have , they have'nt this Jewish History engraved in their blood , their parents and ancestors were not persecuted . So conversion of brides or grooms is not a solution , even if they convert on the orthodox way . Some people will maybe call me a racist , no problem for me

A halahic convert is a 100%jew if he did it because of idealism,and not because of a jewish partner.

This is very true. If I was a rabbi (lots of steps and probably decades before that could happen ;) ), I would spell out everything about the Jewish life. It's kind of like when my mom converted. She said that she approached a rabbi about it and he said, "No, you don't want to become a Jew, look at these troubles we have - but here, read these books and tell me whether you change your mind." A year of this - "oh we have so many problems/would you like to attend this festival?" and my mom had enough knowledge - experiential as well as through study - to know what she was getting into. And then she made a quality decision to convert - a quarter century after marrying a Jew! So yes, intermarriage and conversion works - as long as the conversion is for the right reason and not just to get hitched! :)

Now convince the orthodox!

At a pint in time Jews were secluded in society. The non-news would consider the jews as 'najest' impure and refused to marry them. But now, that the Jews are accepted in society, able to join every sect in society we Jews have forgotten our Jewish identity. Our ancestors would die and not convert, live under rage and poverty in order to remain Jews. They laid bricks through every generation and with one marriage we cripple the beautiful foundation that was built by our ancestors throughout the generation. For any typical American family who is not Jewish they can only imagine to marry a Jew. They have good jobs, educate. Take for instance Hilary Clinton's daughter. It is time for us Jews to wake up and live above societies secular influence. Being a Jew is the ultimate merit and you don't appreciate it as much as you should until you loose it. I know people who went through intermarriages, had kids and regretted what they had done when it was to late. It is truly a shame to read this. (Baruch Dayan Haeemet)

I know the world will be happy when it achieves by intermarriage what it didnt achieve by pograms, persecution, shoah... Sure there will be no Jews in your world but there will be plenty of every other religion you can be sure. You just want to wipe the evidence that Jews were the original believes in One G'd one law. I was a Catholic and BH I saw the light and converted to orthodox judaism. Judaism has its religious laws like every other religion, is it rascist that a child with a Muslim father is automatically a Muslim? Or that a non Catholic parent is forced to bring up their child Catholic to marry in the church? You only mean good riddence to Jews. The US Jews are too comfortable - they are being 'loved' to extinction. You can keep your style of love

The religous are our last bastion of real Judaism. They are the only reason Israel still exists

on Shabbat . So all your bla bla is worthless , you hypocrite .

a Yddishe Mame . And how is it to have Goyishe grandparents ? Were they present at you Bar Mitzwa [ if you had one } did they give you chanoucca gelt ? A converesion can of course work , but converts are ONLY followers of the Jewish faith , not Jews . I don't have to accept them as belonging to MY people , and certainly not those who convert and live abroad

But not Jewish at all .

It is not clear if Ashkenazim are Jews? Separdim, yes. there is no doubt ;-)

This is a theory i hear for the first time.So if this is true all the Azkenazi Jews need to convert?also Rav Steinman and Rav Kanievski ? to be sure.This could be a success story!

I was kidding, just a joke... :-) What deserves to be emphasized is that Sephardim have lived in the middle of Muslim, they had to compete with them while the Ashkenazim had to compete with christians, since they lived in the middle of Europe. This gave two branches which are sometimes very different in their approaches to Judaism. And i am not talking only about culinary or folkloric differences.

In my family there are a few mixt(sefarad and ashkenazi)happy marriages.The problem here is the split between the religious and secular.There is a lot of hatred.I am so sad about it.People don t see how hardly they need each other.Both sides have excellent elements.We need to talk together to know each other,to appreciate,and ,why not, to love each other.We are all in the same boat.Let it be a pleasant one.

A halahic jew is a 100% jew,as you and i.Don t you think it is going to be a big mess,if every jew can decide who is jew and who not? Are you still able ,Charles, to fill your heart with more love? We do not want to become like these old fools who again and again repeat the same words full of hatred,abandoned by their own family,in elderly homes.We want our children being happy to visit us because we have pleasant things to tell them.We want our children to stay in Israel ,so let us give them a nice image of the jewish people.Let us look at the nice sides of everything and of everybody.We always find what we look for.Life can be so nice,if all we want is to make people around us happy.

You know my opinion on conversions , that's enough . You NEVER will not convince me . And whewn i say NEVER it's NEVER . Rabbanim annul conversions , so i can decide who I aaccept as a Jew too . Over and out .