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'Jew-hate stems from conflict'
Menachem Gantz
Published: 03.12.11, 08:29
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91. How can Arab be Antisemite?
Menachem ,   Denver, USA   (12.03.11)
Antisemite means Jew hatred. It has nothing to do with semites, which is a language grouping. It is a politically correct term coined about 100 years ago, and is used like African-American, which means a black person, never a white person from Africa.
92. #86 check back in with us after the new nuclear 9/11
Doomsday Toddler   (12.03.11)
and let us know how life in the US is going.
93. To nr 78 - It is you who are in denial
Alexander ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.03.11)
Anti-Semitism is a term that Wilhelm Marr coined in the 19th century to make Jew hatred sound more "sophisticated" and "scientific". Nr 76 never spoke a word of "Semites" nor did he claim that Jews or Arabs are "Semites". "Semites" don't exist. Neither Jews nor Arabs are Semites. But they speak Semitic languages. Jews - both European and Mid Eastern Jews originate in the Middle East - but neither Jews nor Arabs nor anyone else is 'Semitic". Besides, if you my dear ignorant Lebanese , had studied history, you would know that most Arabs of today and of the past, never were ethnic Arabs. The Arabians that conquered Middle East in the 7th century AD found themselves in minority in a sea of a non-Arab majority in the Middle East. The bulk of the "Arab" population for the last 1400 years - irrespective of their social status - royalties, soldiers, mercenaries, scientists, physicians, mathematicians, tradesmen or just simple ordinary subjects to the king - were NOT Arabs. Most "Arabs" of today are Turks, Kurds, Persians, Africans, Sudanese, Somalians, Berbers, Greeks, Bosnians and Albanians speaking Arabic. The Arab definition of an Arab is someone who speaks Arabic. The Koran's definition of an Arab is a nomad/Bedouin - meaning one's social position or status in society and not ethnic belonging. For 1400 years, "Arabs" of the Middle East have first and foremost defined themselves as Moslems - IRRESPECTIVE of their real ethnic background - be it Kurdish, Persian or Turkish.
94. 82 - Muslims ??? ,...
split ,   US   (12.04.11)
You got expelled from 109 places around the world since Christ.
95. To: Cameron at No. 86
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.04.11)
Easy for you to say .... how many flights of stairs did YOU walk down on September 11, 2001? There's a common enemy out there, warring against civilization. I have always considered you to be intelligent. You are beginning to disappoint me and disabuse me of my impression. What is beneficial to Israel is beneficial to the United States. When are you going to realize that?
96. If Mr. Gutman is voicing President Obama's agenda, this
rachel ,   tel aviv israel   (12.04.11)
bodes ill for his retaining any Jewish support in 2012. Was Mr. Gutman speaking in his capacity as Obama's emmisary or was he speaking for himself? Schlepping out a video of Obama speaking in Cairo two years ago is really not the way to go as it emphasizes the fact that Obama has never set foot in Israel as President. It gives the aura of "some of my best friends are Islamists" which I sure hope was not his point. Arab violence against Jews is longstanding and predates the formation of Israel. Ambassadors should not be posted anywhere without any prior knowledge of historical facts. They do a huge disservice to the nation and they make the President and Secretary Clinton look like amateurs diplomats, not to mention giving credence to anti-Semites.
97. No 78: European Jews are also semites
Sami ,   New York, USA   (12.04.11)
No 78; European Jews are also semites. Jews were expelled to Europe by the Romans and lived there in biblical times.
98. Gutman
Sy Dill ,   Providence, RI   (12.04.11)
Gutman is the kind of Know-Nothing that springs from the heart of the Jewish left here in America. If he thinks that `peace' would bring the end of anti-semitism in the Arab world, he has only to look at Egypt and Jordan after the `Peace Treaties.' They are now more anti-semitic than ever. The Arabs cannot understand how a bunch of Jewish mal-noutrished shopkeepers came into their `terrritories' and whipped them in 5 wars over the years.
99. Arabs Hate Each Other, Fire Gutman
Mike ,   Washington DC   (12.04.11)
insulting stupidity from an ambulance chaser.
100. To #57 Answer to your question
John ,   Alaska   (12.04.11)
Hi Linda, I've been thinking a lot about this lately. The answer is that they will believe they are in the right. If you read the anti-Jew, anti-Israel talkbacks, especially among Muslims, there is a strong sense of righteous indignation. The same sort that one finds among German anti-Semites in the 1930's. People need to believe that they are "good", and this necessitates believing that people they want to kill are "evil". And if the "evil" people are the Chosen of G-d, therefore, G-d is "evil" and must be destroyed in the name of the "good" god, Allah.
101. To #78 you're right
John ,   Alaska   (12.04.11)
"Right" - isn't that the word where what you are saying is readily and easily proven false? No wait, that's "Wrong". You are WRONG. According to dictionary dot com: an·ti-Sem·i·tism  [an-tee-sem-i-tiz-uhm, an-tahy-] noun discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews.
102. It's been said many times, and not just by arabs,
allan ,   canada   (12.04.11)
that the major obstacle to peace in the world is the Americans trying to tell everybody else what they should do.
103. To: No. 94
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (12.04.11)
Well, in that case, it is perfectly permissible to expel all Arabs from Israeli territory. Right? They did, after all, expel nearly one million Jews following Israel's glorious victory in the War of Independence. Hey -- what goes around, comes around. Right?
104. Semites
Lawrence Rosen ,   Baltimore USA   (12.04.11)
The term anti-semetic refers only to Jews. The term semetic binds Jews and Arabs only in the fact that Hebrew and Arabic are semetic languages.
105. @ 90...And Jewish anti-semitism has lasted
Edithann ,   USA   (12.04.11)
3000 years since the killing of the Canaanites...continued with Christianity and has culminated in Arab hatred. You've reached and encompassed the world..Now what?... So you have no beef at all... TATA
106. #78 and #80
Henry from New York ,   USA   (12.04.11)
#78: You are making statements that are neither back up by genetic evidence (origins of Ashkenazi Jews) nor English language dictionaries (that antisemitism, despite the name, is a hatred of Jews). Please realise that an argument from ignorance is no argument at all. #80: Click the guy's post to see he is being sarcastic. It is amazing two YNet users made this mistake. It clearly says "(End)" when someone doesn't write anything more than the title.
107. Idiot!!!
(12.04.11)
How come Arabs murdered Jews in "Palestine" before 1948 - when Israel became a Jewish state? And how come Arabs murdered Jews before June 1967 - before Judea , Samaria, and Gaza were won back by the Jews? And how come Muslims are killing each other in so many Muslim countries? The Jews' fault there too?!!
108. Muslim anti semitism is intrinsic to a religion that
anton orde   (12.04.11)
mimicked the fundamental tenets of judaism and things that it has superceded it. The existence of Jews and Israel is a constant reminder of their mimicry and the fact that they came out of Arabia - obsessed with with the need to "authenticate" themselves by taking over Jerusalem and our whole our. Now that we have liberated it they are both embarrassed and humiliated. That is the root of their hatred.
109. boundary lines...
Ron ,   Melbourne, Australia   (12.04.11)
Interesting - can the Gentleman identify the boundary lines - since Antisemitism is a persistent form in the Muslim world when did it actually stop and replace by his new assertion and why would peace agreement change what has been for centuries. I guess that all the other regional conflicts, persecutions of non jews, etc are all because there is no hatred under Islam. Everyone can make up a narrative - the problem is to test the hypothesis by trying to falsify it - Notice how these guys never try to falsify it - only confirm it by picking and choosing items that match their narrative - e.g. the school - Somehow the school overshadows the persecution of Coptic Christians, the Saudi text books , the many others persecuted and demonized in Islamic countries, etc. THIS IS THE OBAMA WAY - we made our mind, we conjured up a narrative to suit and we now searching for ONLY confirmatory evidence - what was the moto - YES WE CAN GET AWAY WITH THIS SHALLOW THINKING
110. Howard Gutman
Dr Peter ,   Maryland USA   (12.04.11)
Dear Israeli and Israel loving American Jews. As a conservative American Christian, I must take this opportunity to let you know that we are also up against this secular democrat machine. Jesus was a Jew, and we love him as our brother, and our God. We have always supported Israel, not only because it is the birthplace of Christianity, but because it is the only true Democracy in the middle east. I urge all devout and freedom loving Jews and Christians to reject the democrats in the coming election, do not believe the democrats accusations of racism, they are untrue. Please vote Republican in November, the future of Israel and the USA will depend on it . God bless you all, Shalom.
111. Ignorant
Tom ,   Bsas,Argentina   (12.04.11)
What a ignorant man. The Great Mufti of Jerusalem met with Hitler, Himmler, and created Muslim Waffen SS even BEFORE ISRAEL WAS ESTABLISHED AND DECLARED ITS INDEPENDECE. BLOODY IGNORANT.!
112. #47, with whom would you suggest Israel makes peace??
Joan ,   USofA   (12.04.11)
Israel has no peace partner, only different strategies to rid her. Abbas came out yesterday....saying..we recognize Israel does exist. We do not recognize her right to exist. Great peace partner
113. #50..ahha...figures he would be J street.
joan ,   USofA   (12.04.11)
that says it all....
114. #76
Henry from New York ,   USA   (12.04.11)
If you had actually opened that fellow's post you would have seen he was being sarcastic. Al-Husseini and his nephew, Arafat, are responsible for much of the modern hatred of Jews today.
115. another self-assured fool
rick ,   walnut creek   (12.04.11)
clue for the clueless: the conflict is used as an excuse, often by people who care nothing about the conflict. and, of course, an Israeli surrender would satisfy the haters.
116. Jew-hate stems from conflict
Gary Aminoff ,   Los Angeles, USA   (12.04.11)
It seems obvious that the American Ambassador to Belgium earned that distinction only based upon the amount of money he raised for Obama. His knowledge of Islam and the reasons for the hatred of Jews by Muslims seems to be an area where is, to be kind, not aware. If the reason that Muslims hate Jews stems form the ongoing conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, how does the Hon. Mr. Gutman explain the massacres of Jews by Muslims for the past 1400 years, or even the past 100 years, prior to the formation of the State of israel? Mr. Gutman?
117. He should be refused entry to IL as a private citizen!!!
Digital Baz Noded   (12.04.11)
'The so-called Israel critic’ should be forbidden from entering Israel as a private citizen. Just as the sovereign country of the USA has rightfully decline entry to non-citizen so could Israel. Once a person like this try to get into Israel not on diplomatic passport he should be refused entry Jew or not!
118. My Congressman Already Got A Letter
EZRA THE PROUD JEW ,   USA-ISRAEL   (12.04.11)
This man WILL be recalled: between his BS and that of Panetta, you had better believe Obama lost the Jewish vote. It is clear from the ME outcomes and the fickle, filp-flop mentality of the Obama administration on Israel and the Jews in general that we will exert intense pressure on this confused and uneducated bunch of circus performers. Enough is enough; a nasty danger to the Jews is increasing exponentially and its all based on lies, ignorance and blind hatred. Its time to start making a difference. Additionally, Israeli organizations must also become a bit more sophisticated: Like NOT releasing hateful, idiotic videos like last week. That was an affront to ALL Jews, not just American Jews (who give more to Israel and do more to ensure its security than anyone else). No more nonsense.
119. Islamic Anti-Judaism predates creation of Israel!!!
Steven ,   Teaneck   (12.04.11)
The honorable Mr. Gutman is an ignoramus. Suggest reading (not a very accessible book) Andrew Bostom's history: Islamic Anti-Semitism. This is a lengthy tome, fully documented and footnoted, with multiple quotes of a long history of persecution and violence inflicted on the Jewish throughout the Islamic world long before there was an Israel. Unfortunately, hatred of Jews is a recurrent theme running the length of Islamic history.
120. Obama's words, Gutman's voice. And, in Brookings, Obama's
JBI   (12.04.11)
words, Panetta's voice. Blame the Jews for being socially and politically "raped" by humanity is the message that is coming loud and clear from the Obama's white house.
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